Fame tree abusing

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  1. Inrange

    Inrange Forum Apprentice

    Just though I'd put this out there.

    There are some low-medium pvp players that start pvp at level 1 to gain advantage over others, the majority of these other players inexperienced and new to the game. I think this should be addressed and not ignored as these type of players are those that abuse low levelled inexperienced players in pvp, there are players who are level 22-25 with a pvp rank between knight of order to flag bearer, meaning they have a fame tree between 35-40, and these players also usually have a knowledge tree level of 20-30 giving them even more of an advantage -.-. This is not fun for the majority of players when it comes to pvp at low-medium levels because of the fame tree advantage where they gain extra passive skills/benefits (e.g. breaking stuns), 1% damage increase and 1% damage reduction per fame tree level. So essentially there can be a level 25 with a 35-40 fame tree fighting a 25 with 20 fame tree (maybe even less), almost a double in damage and damage reduction percentages. This is just one scenario there can be scenarios much worse than this. These pvp scenarios are in no way fair and should have been dealt with ages ago and why it hasn't been addressed even until now is beyond me.

    Maybe you don't know what to do to make it more balanced which is why you haven't done anything so here's my suggestion. My suggestion is to only allow to have your fame and knowledge tree level according to your experience tree (actual) level. So if you are level 20 the maximum your fame or knowledge tree level can be is 20. This will make it much fairer for players who are new to the game or have less experience and make it some what more enjoyable. In addition it will help reduce the advantage these abusive players can try to attain. This is just my honest opinion, I have a level 45 war, knight of order, so for all of you that think I'm complaining because I'm no good at pvp or the game can hold on to your comment as this whole topic doesn't even concern me however I am very aware of how much the low to medium level pvp side of the game is unbalanced and feel it should be addressed.
     
  2. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    Are you F2P or P2P?
     
  3. spiro_spula

    spiro_spula Forum Connoisseur

    There are people who like to take out their anger/frustration/retardation on the weak or animals or whatever cannot fight back. DSO developers apparently want to provide this kind of (virtual) service to that kind of people, in exchange for cash of course. Buy tons of gems, glyphs buffs and essences and you're all set for some n00b bashing.
    Since mods assure us that our complaints, suggestions and wishes are passed on to the dev team and considering the direction in which DSO is heading, developers either have absolutely no idea what they're doing or they know but don't care. Or am I missing something?
     
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  4. Darwarren

    Darwarren Count Count

    Drakensang is an outlet for all types of aggressive behavior. Just like the real world, it attracts some who are anti-social, hard-core opportunists, schemers, liars, cheats, jerks, hacks, or plain old nut-jobs. Most players are capable of better.

    "Who does what" is part of the learning curve. The naive or simple have an opportunity to smarten up, without the costs of real world damage.

    It's a game, open wide for almost all to play. Would you expect any different?
     
  5. -deathraider-1

    -deathraider-1 Forum Greenhorn

    You just want to be given a strong player? want it easy....work for it and stop complaining. Fight monsters instead of players.
     
  6. Duriastriker

    Duriastriker Forum Inhabitant

    Not nessessarly that, just it's sad some humans take it as far as spending there moms government check on this game to bully some asian kid over seas in 1v1. "Ha"
     
  7. MANOJ

    MANOJ Forum Pro

    I think they are working on this issue.
    Update from R139 prevents low level players to enter maps 6 level higher than their level. Players can't go glyphs farming now like they used to before. It's tough to upgrade their low level gears to very high levels now. Eventually, low level pvp will be more fair than what it is now. And the players who already have marked high level maps before R139 and are farming those maps, they too will level up eventually.
    And DSO says they are trying to make PvP matchmaking more fair.
    We might have a fair PvP in DSO soon :)
     
  8. MegaNuker

    MegaNuker Forum Ambassador

    I hope they make a pvp for ranks so all the same ranks will pvp. Now there will still be people who will have farmed more or spent more on the game but I always get a good challenge from people that are the same rank as I am.
     
  9. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    That is not possible even in theory.
     
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  10. rpfo

    rpfo Padavan

    I have some to say about it. PVP will nly be fair if Devs change the algoritms that do the matches. Overpowered players arent unfair. Evryone play in his own way. But its really unfair a match like the one u said at the top of the page. I gave up on my main char, like many players, on PVP for the same problem. Than i decided to build my own peterpan. No matter ur lvl , overpowereds everywhere. My lvl 14 dies in one hit from a lvl 10. Its not about complain , its about : we are up to play but this overpowereds ruin our battle. I think u , like me , dont want to win in the easy way, at least I can say about me and I want a chance to have a good fight. I dont want to be a machine fame giver. We can die many times but we want to win too. This is all about. We must keep our eyes open to see if this overpowereds are online to go on pvp and this is really bad, cause if they are on , u know if u go pvp ull go to die with no chance to fight-> this is the bad side.
    For a fair pvp, Devs must considere all the 3 (lvl, knowledge and fame). No matter if im 14 and the other is 1 , if he have lvl 30/35+ in knowledge and fame. Overpowered must fight with ppl with same power they have, this is the solution.
    I know they are working on better matches, so with hope soon we can have fair battles. :D
     
  11. Inrange

    Inrange Forum Apprentice

    Just a quick reply to your comment.
    'You just want to be given a strong player?' Your first sentence just proved my entire thread point and this is just my opinion on the matter (hardly complaining, just my opinion and solution). 'Want it easy' I don't think you understand what this thread is about, it's not about being 'strong' or 'wanting it easy' it's about fairness.

    'Fight monsters instead of players' -.-

    Also on a side note I'm 99% sure that you are one of these players abusing the fame tree due to what you have replied with and it looks like you are hoping nothing is changed. I'll leave it at that.

    Lastly I've seen a couple of comments about overpowered players due to payments and I hate to be the one to say this to you guys but this is part of the game, if people are willing to pay then they have every right to do so. I do have some opinions and solutions on this too, about fairness, but this is a different topic for a different thread.
     
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2014
  12. bahhumbug

    bahhumbug Forum Apprentice

    The Fame Tree absolutely ruined PvP for everyone. DSO attempted to create a "working, one of a kind PvP" experience and all they did was create an unfixable mess that will never be balanced because it can never be balanced. There's no excuse for giving a player another 100% added damage from the fame tree depending on skills selected, none at all. I laugh at it. Even the dev team knows how badly they screwed up with it and will never admit it. Their reply is "No one home", because they have NEVER replied to any questions about PvP and the mess it is. The mods are the go betweens and have to absorb and redirect, edit and change wording to "nice" before they can forward player views about PvP to the dev team. God forbid some 23 yr old German kid who learned code from Mozilla has to answer to the player base about his failure as a DSO dev.
    PvP is what it is. Good for the P2P, twink builders and the old players who farmed tons of honor back in open beta days when there were no level restrictions and a lvl 10 would always face some lvl 20+ lol, (good times back then, good times lol), and now frustrating for everyone else who wants a fair chance at a win.
    You need to pay to succeed in the game especially if you want to PvP. You need to buy gems and that is a fact that sadly cannot be denied.
     
  13. DiabloadiK

    DiabloadiK Forum Apprentice

    ...from the thread title "fame tree abusing" i know more people/players disagree with your opinion. we have a different style and interest in game. mine is PVP not in PVE. Why...?i dont feel excite facing computerized moves..etc.

    The only thing is mismatched rank in PVP but its not totally a big deal because they spend there time, money, to get what they want. Im a F2P and i dont even complaint against P2P or P2W coz i know my side...so instead of complaining work more more more hard to catch this P2P people. im in 2yrs+ in med lvl focusing to build up a strong character that cannot be beating so easily.

    So PVP is one catch to the devs and P2P & P2W is there source to grow & continue to make better game. By your opinion its very hard to be heared in devs. This is the game so play with the roles & if you dont like just quite and dont waste your time...
     
  14. Inrange

    Inrange Forum Apprentice

    'i know more people/players disagree with your opinion' All these players you know are most likely fame tree abusing, that is the only reason I can think of why someone would disagree.

    'we have a different style and interest in game' Your basically promoting unfairness and saying it is a style of playing the pvp side of the game. What the hell are you saying? You are saying it is fair to have an experience level 20 account with 35+ fame tree fight an experience level 20 who may have just started pvp with 0 fame tree, you can't be serious :S. This is what this thread is about people not the following.

    'Im a F2P and i dont even complaint against P2P' stop talking about p2p, I couldn't care less about this as I know this is part of the game, as mentioned in my previous comment this is not what this thread is talking about.
     
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2014
  15. dannyy868686

    dannyy868686 Someday Author


    kinda sad they did this tbh, stopping people enter 6 lvls above all they did was screw F2P people that don't want to enter the hell that is lvl 40-45 pvp, with field marshal, marshal, flag bearers and people that have been playing for years vs legion's and below ranks, this did not affect P2W players at all, all they do is buy a tone of lock picks open ledge chests, bam full geared.
     
  16. DiabloadiK

    DiabloadiK Forum Apprentice

    ...each player choose there path to play whether pvp or pve.if pvp it start to "0" then accept the fact most likely you beaten the most experience player in first time.they got the high fame because they work hard on it.if you play it both pvp & pve then it a matter again grinding skill,gear etc.
    that second paragraph is just a support of my 1st paragraph.

    Note:this is a game,they have roles to play.
     
  17. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    I said many times I will say again: only MONEY are breaking the balance ... everything else is almost perfectly balanced.
    I see a lot of new players who didn't reach the cap level ... talking about balance. Well hit the cap and see how well balanced is the PVP system. Your low level pvp experience doesn't count.
    You want to be equal with the players who played for 3+ years or who spent over 5K euros in this game? :D:D
    If I start playing some other game ... at this point ... would I be equal with the players who play that game for years? The answer is NO!

    Conclusion: the game is well balanced ... it is your problem for being in a wrong place in a wrong time.
     
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  18. Inrange

    Inrange Forum Apprentice


    Let's be honest you fame tree abusers are just bullying the low-medium experience level players because you are not as strong at the higher experience levels (your main 40-45 experience level character) where competition is far more intense. Why take it out on them just because you aren't as strong as these other high experience level pvp players. If you disagree to this then you are lying to yourself.

    The problem/fact is you fame tree abusers think it is fair to have this fame tree advantage over low-medium experience levels (don't forget most new to the pvp side of the game) when it clearly is not.

    That's all I'll say on this matter as I can't be bothered to care about it anymore and after all it is just a game.
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2014
  19. trakilaki

    trakilaki Living Forum Legend

    They are noobs. And when they hit cap level they get one hit killed. :D
    They do low level pvp only because they can take advantage over the new players who are not yet familiar with the game.
     
  20. cdeepal

    cdeepal Forum Baron

    I don't think that is necessarily true. Currently the only way to level up in fame tree is to start PvP when you are a low level.
    I realized this with my DK now at level 41 and there is no way I can even make 50 fame a match (My usual score would be around 0 to 10 fame and I am not joking). Duels are a joke where I get easily killed one hit by most players. Everyone except me have KOTO or higher. Since I don't get points, I can't advance.

    And since I like PvP, unfortunately, I have decided to start fresh. I have started two new characters and my plan is to do only PvP until I complete the fame tree. My level 12 ranger is already an Ardent Legionnaire :)
     
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